Jim with Daughter #2 and Son #2, Rome, Christmas 2005. The title of this post has nothing to do with the song, which I hate, except for the fact that it totally reminds me of Carol Burnett, as Eunice, in a "Family" sketch on her CBS show (man, those were the days .... CBS on Saturday night --- The Bob Newhart Show ("Hi Bob!"), The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and the Carol Burnett Show).... when Eunice went on "The Gong Show" and sang "Feelings" ---- the only time I liked that song.
But I digress ....
Tonight I had my first training session to be a Stephen Minister at our church. I totally lack the energy to describe what that is at the moment so if you don't know, please feel free to google it.
Anyway, we talked about feelings tonight and how important it is to validate them, in ourselves and in others, and to let them out.
Which made me think and really realize something about myself ...... I absolutely hate to talk about my feelings. I mean .... really. This may come as a surprise to those readers who don't really know me, since I seem to have no problem at all vomiting up my feelings here. It's very easy for me to write about them here. But I cannot do it easily face-to-face with anyone.
I will usually turn the subject 180 degrees when someone asks me what I feel about something, how how I'm feeling or some equally emotionally-loaded question.
I wonder why that is?
I think that sometimes it's a self-preservation move. I mean, if I have to give one more second of thought to what's really going on in my life, I might just go over the edge. So I'd much rather change the topic and be distracted.
Here's a perfect example:
Back in November '01 (a year I always considered to be particularly "sucky" until I experienced the end of '07) Jim had a gun accident and lost an eye. He was in the hospital for a few horrible days and I stayed with him the entire time .... I would not leave his room. We were in Oklahoma at the time (it was Thanksgiving) and I had many, many phone calls. Our pastor was out on the middle of nowhere, camping with his son for a few days, so he could not be contacted until a day or so after the accident. As soon as he found out he called me. It was around 10:30 at night and the phone woke me up. He, of course, sounded horrible since he had just found out and was upset and concerned about Jim and about me. He asked me how I was doing and I said something like, "I'm OK. So ..... how was your camping trip?" I kid you not.
I think he was a little stunned and then let me know that he didn't want to talk about that, but about Jim ..... and me.
I, of course, did not. I wanted to talk about something completely different.
I've always hated those "therapy" questions .... you know, like "So how did that make you feel?" or "So what you're saying is .....".
Jim and I went to several marriage seminars or classes through our churches over the years. He always found great humor in saying, "So how does that make you feel?" or mirroring back something I just said. A lot of humor.
I'm not saying those questions don't work or that mirroring doesn't work .... it just doesn't work for me. I immediately pull back and inward.
Still wondering why that is?
My mother reads this blog so I evidently can't blame it on anything in my childhood (although I'm sure she scarred and wounded me at least once!).
My dad reads it, too, so I can't list anything on that end, either.
Dang .... so much for blog therapy.
A penny for your thoughts.
UPDATE ON "FEELINGS"
This is what I get when I bring this crap up ---
it's 1 a.m. and I cannot sleep. I was almost asleep and then, BAM!!! my gut was hit by something really hard and I couldn't stop crying. And missing him.
Some moments I just think, "What the hell? This life has made me way too tired."
Way. I'd give anything to have him back. Any-thing.
Sigh.
A nickel for your thoughts now.
14 comments:
Feelings, nothing more than...feelings. Trying to forget my feelings of...
Oops! sorry, got carried away there.
Are we supposed to be OUTSPOKEN when it comes to "how we are feeling?"
By the time I start talking openly about how I am feeling, I have already held it in so long that I am pretty much ticked off and shouting and dropping the f bombs. Guess I'm no good at it either, so can't help ya there!! LOL
Love you all!
XOXO
K in AK
I was thinking that maybe it's genetic. It really isn't the "feelings" that bother me, so much as the emotions that go along with them. I'm a pretty open book, I think. I don't go into a lot of detail about my inner-most feelings (except to my mother!)but I also don't hide my feelings all that well either. I know a guy who used to have red hair who NEVER talks about his feelings or emotions though, so my guess is that we got it from him. ;)
It's the emotions. The emotions exhaust me and make me vulnerable, which I cannot afford to be.
I had to laugh that Jim would ask you that question! It happens that my husband seems to think it's really funny too!
So...how does that make you feel?
I love you Sis!
Lis
I wish I had an answer to this question :-/
All I can do is validate your post to those readers who may not know you personally. She speaks the truth!!!Very hard to get this woman to talk about her feelings!!!I have actually been sitting in her house talking with her- and had to check the blog on my phone in order to see what was going on with her!!
Could it be an issue with not wanting to get too close to others? If you open yourself up,in person- you really have to connect with that person. are you trying to "keep your distance" so to speak??? Just a thought?
If it is any consolation- I can't sleep either! I should come up, we can drink a glass of wine and delve into your feelings??? ;)
Love You, K
For the penny - I think you will make a wonderful Stephens Minister, for obvious reasons. I too am better at expressing my feelings with a pencil or on the laptop. That way I can erase what I don't like.
For the nickel - I'm sad for you and wish there was something I could do.
Lis and K,
I think you both may be right ... at least partly. I wonder if it could be not wanting to rejected, which ironically happened twice while I was growing up, though I don't remember the first.
I know it wasn't me personally who was rejected, but I'm now realizing that that fact doesn't matter.
And 9 months ago I experienced the biggest "rejection" of them all: Jim died.
Oh give me a break, I know he didn't REJECT me, but he LEFT .... and I'm being all psycho therapy-ish here!
And mainly just thinking out loud .... well, not out loud per se, but ......
I have to stop now, I have a headache and I have 6 hours of training ahead of me.
I think you are on to something with the "rejection" idea. I believe the label I was given was "fear of abandonement." It's the same idea. Sometimes, when people leave our lives, for whatever reason, we are okay with their leaving. Sometimes it feels like an appendage has been ripped off. Especially if it was someone you held on to dearly. I, personally, have trouble with allowing myself to get really close to people because I don't want anymore appendages ripped off. I will allow you to get close, closer than most people will allow you to do, but I will do something to sabbatoge the relationship if I think you are close enough to hurt me.
And yes, this is after years of therapy. Maybe I need a few more sessions.
I think that was more than a nickel's worth.
I can totally relate to your comment about feelings. I have had periods in my life where I have struggled with this as well. During those times, I poured my feelings out onto paper - journal after journal after journal that I have never re-read, but will someday be left to my children if they want to know anything about my struggles. If not, they can pitch them. I don't think people are better if they can share feelings....we have to be able to trust the people we share them with and some of us are more private or have trust issues because of having been burned in some way. Having one or two people (even someone you pay, like a therapist) is a wonderful way to start. I DO believe that if we do not "let them out" in some way, we can get awfully full of things it would be better to release. I hope I have this process down by the time I'm 80. Don't judge yourself, just explore your new revelation. I think you will be a great Stephen Minister. And you will probably learn more about yourself than you do about others. Such is the compassionate process!
Hey, I totally get it. The thing is, it's supposed to be bad for us to keep the feelings in. I never really understood that, because when I start actually trying to discuss it all, I become a HUGE mess. It's much more healthy for me to deal with the here and now!
Janine, I do have some feelings that I can share with you. I feel like things are going to get better for you. I know that's probably hard to believe, but it couldn't possibly be any worse than this past year...and you're due for some good stuff.
I also feel that despite our not growing up together... I feel a very strong bond to you and when you're hurting, it absolutely breaks my heart. I want so badly to be able to fix it for you. I guess that's just a "sister thing", huh?
Okay...enough of those sappy feelings already!
Listen, if I need to come down there and get you rip-roaring drunk on the best margaritas that we can find...and then carry you home to puke...I will!!! LOL!
Okay...maybe that's not becoming behavior for a Stephens Minister-in-training, but it might be fun!
I love you!
Lis
Janine,
I've been following your blog for several months now. After a few years away from Andersen, I had a chance meeting with Jim a few months before he died. It was a pleasure to get reacquainted and see how happy he was despite the events that led him to KPMG. Others have handled it differently. While I always thought it was kind of weird that someone willingly would have six (six!) kids, now I understand how much joy it must have brought to him and you both. My thoughts and prayers are with you and the kids as you help them grow into wonderful adults . . . like their dad.
Ok, Ok.....I'm SURE I must have scarred you in SOME way, over the years. Isn't that a mother's job...to take the blame for any and all wounds and scarring?? Well, I know how to step up to the plate and declare, "Mia Copa"! (sp?)
sigh....my shoulders are broad...I can take it.
But I love you mucho bunches and bunches!
Forgive my ignorance...but what is a Stephens Minister?
I had to think about this one because I've always thought it was easy for me to talk about my feelings, but I realized it's actually not - it's easy for me to WRITE about my feelings by blogging or emailing but less so in person, especially the really vulnerable raw emotions. I think that I have a lot of "cover" feelings that I can express like being annoyed or frustrated or ticked off which typically cover deeper issues of insecurity, hurt feelings, abandonment fears, etc. I think sometimes it's hard to get in touch with the "real" feelings. Maybe sometimes it's hard to even know what we feel. Or somehow that what we feel is "wrong" or someone else will make us feel bad about having that feeling (or has in the past) so we cover it up and pretend to be ok. There's a line from an Alanis Morissette song on her 2nd album about smiling and saying she's ok as inside she considers killing herself. The dichotomy between what we share with the world and what's in our innermost selves is often pretty severe. I don't think it's unusual. And we have to know who is safe to trust with those true feelings so that when we share we know we are in the presence of safety because almost all of us have had experiences of sharing our feelings and being made fun of, or feeling invalidated, or made to feel stupid or a number of other things that make us want to keep our feelings to ourselves.
Hi. I am not getting your feed for some obscure reason, so I have been catching up!
I don't talk about my feelings much either - and I don't blog about them either. Why? I ask myself that too sometimes. Probably because my kids read what I write and it makes them uncomfortable at times, but more likely because I tend to keep 99% of me hidden. And yes, I know this is not healthy.
Face to face, is much harder. The person talking to you can see your eyes, and all the hidden hurt or pain or things deep inside, so I change the subject, because I still can't deal with that part. And the fear of the floodgates opening is too great, because I have no idea how I would handle that, never mind the person there in front of me! Control. Or what is left of it, in a way. I came perilously close to totally losing it just before I had the op last Thursday, though. It was not a great feeling.
I do write though. And no-one will see what I have written probably. We all wear masks, don't we? And each of us learns to cope in our own unique way.
Glad to see you have power again!
Yea--I LOVE to share my feelings--because I love to get all blotchy faced and red eyed and having snot running out of my nose--because I know I can't share my feelings without feeling my feelings, if you know what I mean...saying them aloud makes them all the more real, and if someone knows what I'm feeling they might try to change them, take them away, etc, and in some way make me think that I was wrong for having the feeling in the first place (not that that would be their intention, it's just my response to their reaction)
Now, if someone would tell me red and blotchy was in, well, that would be a different thing. susan
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